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I'm not sure if this really happened or if it's just the rose-colored tint of nostalgia distorting my memories, but... did we almost have peace, unity, understanding and/or tolerance in the late-80's/early-90's?

I seem to remember a time, right around the time that "Kwanzaa" became a thing, where there was a huge push for everybody to celebrate (or at least acknowledge) every holiday regardless of religious affiliation. Governmental offices had a Christmas Tree AND an entire bulletin board dedicated to Hanukkah. Easter had very little to do with the commercialization of Jesus and was just a celebration of Springtime. Halloween was about costumes and the history of why we dress-up to go begging for candy. It was...

I guess I'm trying to figure out when it stopped being about all the things you CAN celebrate and started being about what you're NOT allowed to celebrate? But then I started thinking wait a minute - did we ever actually HAVE that all-inclusive celebratory era? Did that actually happen, or was that just my perception???

I remember when it all ended, even if it was just my own perspective. It was a big news item, some self-proclaimed Atheists were protesting because there was a Christmas Tree in their City Hall, which was a HUGE violation of "separation of Church and State". Having been semi-religious at the time (Catholic), I heard it repeated over and over again that these "Atheists" were actually SATANISTS bent on nothing less than THE FULL ABOLITION AND DESTRUCTION OF ALL THINGS DECENT. This was *WAR*, no doubt about it, and so The Forces Of Good HAD to fight back!

But instead of fighting back by just saying "Aww c'mon let us have our pretty little Christmas Tree", they fought back by insisting that NO ONE ELSE gets to have THEIR religious stuff up either. THIS was the big mistake! I'm sure that at least partially the intent was to just point out how ridiculous it would be to try and ban all religious observances, it became an excuse to be ever vigilant against anyone who believed something different than you. Different beliefs and observances are the *enemy*!

Did that really happen???

Date: 2013-04-23 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zombie1974.livejournal.com
That's pretty much how I remember it too...

Date: 2013-04-23 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hallerlake.livejournal.com
Are you going all nostalgic for Reagan now too ;-)

Date: 2013-04-23 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukulele-hatter.livejournal.com
i remember how some people complained that there was a nativity scene with all the Christmas Trees in Christmas in the park and they demanded that the nativity be moved to in front of the church. The following year it was back with all the Christmas trees again but i didn't hear of anyone complaining again. I'm not sure how they resolved it

Date: 2013-04-23 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquatwo.livejournal.com
I remember it similarly. Also as an atheist, I personally like seeing decorated trees. I like treelighting ceremonies. I don't like tax dollars spent on carols about Jesus or gods but there are plenty of xmas songs that have nothing to do with religion. I cannot stand nativity scenes on government land, or that are government funded, nor displays for Easter, ten commandments, crosses, etc.

I guess I just don't see trees as having much of anything to do with christianity. I just think they're pretty.

Date: 2013-04-23 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dulcegomez.livejournal.com
Was it 9/11? The attacking of our nation by a group of Muslim extremists, perhaps, stirred still waters that ran deep. The instinct to be wary/suspicious/hostile toward people who are perceived as being "different" may be lodged deeply in the DNA/human culture- stemming all the way back to when "those strange people from across the river" might come over and steal the tribe's winter food stores.
I'm not saying it's right. I'd like everyone to use their cerebellum to reason, and to learn more evolved social behavior. Sadly, that seems a tall order for some...

Date: 2013-04-23 07:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aurora77
Yeah, around the same time as they went all overboard with the "politically correct" nonsense. I'm all for being respectful of people, but some of it got to be patently ridiculous.

Date: 2013-04-24 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whiskeyjack.livejournal.com
I recall there being an upswing in public pushback against religious displays around that time but I also remember some from earlier than that. Amount of flak I got for not being Christian seemed to be steady before and after that point. I think the late 80's/early 90's was when some very vocal groups decided they could no longer celebrate Halloween because it was satanic and there has been a steady decline in how much fun the holiday was since then.

Date: 2013-04-25 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynna12000.livejournal.com
I don't think there has ever been unity. There have been lulls in hostilities, but no outright cease fire. The main difference between the late 80's, early 90's and now is the way information is spread. 20-25 years ago, people got their news via radio, newspaper, and television. Now, we get a lot of our information via the internet, as well as televsion. Information has been pretty available over the last 50 years especially. We now get it almost instantly; both the good and the bad.

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